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		<title>By: Kate Wooddelll</title>
		<link>http://nkjemisin.com/2010/02/describing-characters-of-color-3-oppoc/#comment-4106</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate Wooddelll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 16:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for an immensely informative article with brilliant examples.  This was sent to me today, by a friend, after I sent out an SOS to various associates and former students (all OPOCs in relation to myself) soliciting adivce on description for a YA MSS dealing with biraciliasm, interracial dating, race relations in high school in a supposedly &quot;postracial America.&quot; Some of this I have heard or read before, but the passages were still terrific.  I have also read much about the Katniss perceptions (or missed perceptions) in The Hunger Games and the mild furor over the preliminary casting for the first film.  It is amazing to me that so many readers did not pick up on her &quot;otherness&quot; relative to themselves.  This is a tribute to Collins, but, I do think, as you noted, a misreading of some important points contained within the intricate social structure of her constructed world.  Of course, this may simply reinforce what you have said about the people of the Capital having the liberty to &quot;play&quot; with race, and thus readers who do not identify as PoCs may be granting themselves, unconsciously, this same liberty to play with race simply by overlooking its implications for the main character.  You have given me much to work with today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for an immensely informative article with brilliant examples.  This was sent to me today, by a friend, after I sent out an SOS to various associates and former students (all OPOCs in relation to myself) soliciting adivce on description for a YA MSS dealing with biraciliasm, interracial dating, race relations in high school in a supposedly &#8220;postracial America.&#8221; Some of this I have heard or read before, but the passages were still terrific.  I have also read much about the Katniss perceptions (or missed perceptions) in The Hunger Games and the mild furor over the preliminary casting for the first film.  It is amazing to me that so many readers did not pick up on her &#8220;otherness&#8221; relative to themselves.  This is a tribute to Collins, but, I do think, as you noted, a misreading of some important points contained within the intricate social structure of her constructed world.  Of course, this may simply reinforce what you have said about the people of the Capital having the liberty to &#8220;play&#8221; with race, and thus readers who do not identify as PoCs may be granting themselves, unconsciously, this same liberty to play with race simply by overlooking its implications for the main character.  You have given me much to work with today.</p>
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		<title>By: nkjemisin</title>
		<link>http://nkjemisin.com/2010/02/describing-characters-of-color-3-oppoc/#comment-3916</link>
		<dc:creator>nkjemisin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 21:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh,

Unfortunately, not all characters &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; equal, in the eyes of your reading audience, if that audience exists as part of a society with institutional/historic racism.  In American society, for example, it&#039;s very rare to see people of color in fiction, especially SF/F, and when PoC appear it&#039;s frequently as a stereotype or caricature.  Your readers will be used to this, and it will affect their thinking, &lt;em&gt;even if they believe that racism is wrong&lt;/em&gt;.  So if you don&#039;t explain/describe what race your characters are, most American readers will assume the character is white.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh,</p>
<p>Unfortunately, not all characters <em>are</em> equal, in the eyes of your reading audience, if that audience exists as part of a society with institutional/historic racism.  In American society, for example, it&#8217;s very rare to see people of color in fiction, especially SF/F, and when PoC appear it&#8217;s frequently as a stereotype or caricature.  Your readers will be used to this, and it will affect their thinking, <em>even if they believe that racism is wrong</em>.  So if you don&#8217;t explain/describe what race your characters are, most American readers will assume the character is white.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh R.</title>
		<link>http://nkjemisin.com/2010/02/describing-characters-of-color-3-oppoc/#comment-3915</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 16:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve written stories with CoCos before, and as with all my characters, I tend not to refer to their appearance unless it&#039;s important to the story somehow. Otherwise I mention it in passing, as a comparative property to the MC -- ie, if the MC has dark skin, she might mention offhand that it&#039;s darker than her friend&#039;s, etc. I try to write from a place where all characters are equal, unless inequality is relevant to the story somehow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve written stories with CoCos before, and as with all my characters, I tend not to refer to their appearance unless it&#8217;s important to the story somehow. Otherwise I mention it in passing, as a comparative property to the MC &#8212; ie, if the MC has dark skin, she might mention offhand that it&#8217;s darker than her friend&#8217;s, etc. I try to write from a place where all characters are equal, unless inequality is relevant to the story somehow.</p>
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		<title>By: fritz freiheit.com blog » Link dump</title>
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		<dc:creator>fritz freiheit.com blog » Link dump</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Describing Characters of Color 3, OPPoC &#124; Epiphany 2.0 (Writing,Culture,Race,WorldBuilding) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Geek Media Round-Up: February 22, 2010 &#8211; Grasping for the Wind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geek Media Round-Up: February 22, 2010 &#8211; Grasping for the Wind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] N.K. Jemisin examines how authors go about Describing Characters of Color. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
		<link>http://nkjemisin.com/2010/02/describing-characters-of-color-3-oppoc/#comment-2698</link>
		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 07:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find this information very helpful. Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this information very helpful. Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Eva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 22:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed reading this post. :)  (Not that I have anything intelligent to add.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed reading this post. :)  (Not that I have anything intelligent to add.)</p>
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		<title>By: Rose Fox</title>
		<link>http://nkjemisin.com/2010/02/describing-characters-of-color-3-oppoc/#comment-2679</link>
		<dc:creator>Rose Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 08:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: the unmarked state and describing features: I think some of that is distance vs. intimacy. If I see a stranger across the proverbial crowded room, I notice height, build, posture, clothing, hair type and style (if hair is visible), maybe skin color (depending on how crowded or dark the room is, and how much they stand out from the people around them). If I know someone well, I see body language instead of posture, laugh lines instead of skin color, shadows under their eyes rather than eye shape, lost or gained fat or muscle instead of build, a new haircut rather than hair type. That last description you posted makes perfect sense for a grandmother but would feel weirdly intimate for a stranger, and all characters are strangers to the reader at first.

(Of course, that makes me ponder character introductions and the stylistic equivalents of presenting someone as though from a distance first vs. presenting them as though the reader has known them for years.)

I would love to see more character descriptions based on things like height and posture and build that can still be seen at a glance from a distance but aren&#039;t necessarily or obviously racial markers the way hair and eyes and skin are. When I&#039;m in Japan, though obviously my hair and eyes and skin mark me as a foreigner, I&#039;m aware first and foremost of my size and body shape and movements being fundamentally non-Japanese, of being in a place where everything from the height of the showerhead to the amount of space between chairs in a restaurant is designed for a body that I do not have. (I imagine people who are more than one standard deviation out from their local norm on any physical axis--wide or narrow, tall or small--spend their whole lives feeling this way.) I can spot a foreign tourist in a New York subway station by the way they hold a map, the angles of heads when they consult with family members on the best way to get where they&#039;re going. As I experiment with crossdressing, I&#039;ve been thinking about male and female gaits, and of course the nuances of hips and elbows and strides and swaggers are cultural as well as gendered. So there are plenty of ways to talk about the ways someone differs from the unmarked state without either getting too personal or comparing them to food.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: the unmarked state and describing features: I think some of that is distance vs. intimacy. If I see a stranger across the proverbial crowded room, I notice height, build, posture, clothing, hair type and style (if hair is visible), maybe skin color (depending on how crowded or dark the room is, and how much they stand out from the people around them). If I know someone well, I see body language instead of posture, laugh lines instead of skin color, shadows under their eyes rather than eye shape, lost or gained fat or muscle instead of build, a new haircut rather than hair type. That last description you posted makes perfect sense for a grandmother but would feel weirdly intimate for a stranger, and all characters are strangers to the reader at first.</p>
<p>(Of course, that makes me ponder character introductions and the stylistic equivalents of presenting someone as though from a distance first vs. presenting them as though the reader has known them for years.)</p>
<p>I would love to see more character descriptions based on things like height and posture and build that can still be seen at a glance from a distance but aren&#8217;t necessarily or obviously racial markers the way hair and eyes and skin are. When I&#8217;m in Japan, though obviously my hair and eyes and skin mark me as a foreigner, I&#8217;m aware first and foremost of my size and body shape and movements being fundamentally non-Japanese, of being in a place where everything from the height of the showerhead to the amount of space between chairs in a restaurant is designed for a body that I do not have. (I imagine people who are more than one standard deviation out from their local norm on any physical axis&#8211;wide or narrow, tall or small&#8211;spend their whole lives feeling this way.) I can spot a foreign tourist in a New York subway station by the way they hold a map, the angles of heads when they consult with family members on the best way to get where they&#8217;re going. As I experiment with crossdressing, I&#8217;ve been thinking about male and female gaits, and of course the nuances of hips and elbows and strides and swaggers are cultural as well as gendered. So there are plenty of ways to talk about the ways someone differs from the unmarked state without either getting too personal or comparing them to food.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Nepveu</title>
		<link>http://nkjemisin.com/2010/02/describing-characters-of-color-3-oppoc/#comment-2676</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate Nepveu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 00:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cherie Priest has a lot of characters of color in _Boneshaker_, which describes one Chinese character&#039;s eyes as &quot;angled,&quot; just different enough from &quot;slanted&quot; to catch my eye.

I&#039;m not done yet so I can&#039;t give an overall assessment of its treatment of characters of color, but I did notice that because of a past conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cherie Priest has a lot of characters of color in _Boneshaker_, which describes one Chinese character&#8217;s eyes as &#8220;angled,&#8221; just different enough from &#8220;slanted&#8221; to catch my eye.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not done yet so I can&#8217;t give an overall assessment of its treatment of characters of color, but I did notice that because of a past conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: Cecilia Tan</title>
		<link>http://nkjemisin.com/2010/02/describing-characters-of-color-3-oppoc/#comment-2674</link>
		<dc:creator>Cecilia Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 22:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terrrrrific post. Your comment about coffee got me thinking -- the other coloration word set that gets used a lot is all exotic woods from exotic places, ebony, teak, etc. It&#039;s baggage and/or just a semantic connection that was once evocative and is now just plain cliche from overuse. For that matter &quot;olive&quot; goes along with mediterranean, etc. 

Which got me thinking, what the hell color am I, anyway? A friend called me &quot;tawny&quot; and I said as long as it&#039;s like the port, not the porn star. Since I never ever go out in the sun anymore (writer chained to computer day after day...) I&#039;m white. Except when I get in bed with a lover who is actually white and then I realize, no, I&#039;m a different shade. I guess I&#039;m TAN, pun fully intended, and I guess I have to leave it at that. 

This has got me thinking about other ways of describing shades of skin color. I see &quot;nut brown&quot; all the time but can never figure out what color that&#039;s supposed to be. What kind of nut? It could be dark or light. I have no clue. 

Much for me to think about here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrrrrific post. Your comment about coffee got me thinking &#8212; the other coloration word set that gets used a lot is all exotic woods from exotic places, ebony, teak, etc. It&#8217;s baggage and/or just a semantic connection that was once evocative and is now just plain cliche from overuse. For that matter &#8220;olive&#8221; goes along with mediterranean, etc. </p>
<p>Which got me thinking, what the hell color am I, anyway? A friend called me &#8220;tawny&#8221; and I said as long as it&#8217;s like the port, not the porn star. Since I never ever go out in the sun anymore (writer chained to computer day after day&#8230;) I&#8217;m white. Except when I get in bed with a lover who is actually white and then I realize, no, I&#8217;m a different shade. I guess I&#8217;m TAN, pun fully intended, and I guess I have to leave it at that. </p>
<p>This has got me thinking about other ways of describing shades of skin color. I see &#8220;nut brown&#8221; all the time but can never figure out what color that&#8217;s supposed to be. What kind of nut? It could be dark or light. I have no clue. </p>
<p>Much for me to think about here.</p>
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